T-Shirt
After extensive and much appreciated critical feedback on the draft designs, this page showcases the three T-Shirt designs I’m producing for the Walk to Kosciuszko. Each has the words “I was hopelessly wrong on house prices. Ask me how” as required by the bet. Each also has a graphical answer to the question:
Design 1: Timing
Design 2: Our Debt Bubble
Design 3: The First Home Vendors Grant
I give details on the charts and the arguments behind them below. All T-shirts will have the following back as well:
I will also produce more copies if people are interested in buying them. Once a price is set based on production costs (this looks like being $20 per shirt) to buy one make a donation of that amount plus $20 for an Australian address (and A$40 for an overseas address) using the donate widget there. Specify the design (1 to 3) and your mailing address in the Comments field for the donation.
Finally, if you want some anti-bank paraphernalia that is a bit more general than what I’m offering here, take a look at the site “I hate the nab“, where there is a range of T-shirts and other items for sale.
1: Timing
The first T-shirt shows CPI-adjusted house price indices for Japan, the USA and Australia, starting from the common date of June 1986 (the earliest date in the ABS time series for established home prices).
Japan’s real house price index rose by 54% between 1986 and 1991 during its Bubble Economy phase, peaked at 154.75 in February 1991 in the early days of the Bubble’s bursting. By March 2009 had fallen to 63.961–a fall of 58% over 18 years.
When Japan’s Bubble Economy fell into the heap that became known as The Lost Decade–and which is now closer to The Lost Two Decades–there were numerous commentaries that something as absurd as Japan’s bubble could never occur in America, given its much more efficient and transparent financial system. As a well-educated Minskian economist, I scoffed at the time at such reports, but even I didn’t appreciate how accurate my scepticism would prove to be.
The American real estate bubble–which began in 1997 after a period of relatively depressed prices after the 1990s recession–clearly dwarfed Japan’s. Between 1986 and late 2005, American real house prices rose by almost 88%. They then fell 36.5%, before starting to rise again recently–with the US version of Australia’s First Home Owners Grant playing a large role in the turnaround. Though prices have apparently bottomed, there are plenty of arguments to expect this to be only a temporary respite–from the size of the inventory of unsold houses to the approaching wave of defaults by mortgagees whose Alt-A “Option ARM” mortgages are about to reset).
However, both the Japanese and American house price bubbles are pygmies compared to Australia’s bubble. Australia’s still unburst bubble drove the real price of housing to 140 percent above the level of June 1986–that is, real house prices are now 2.4 times what they were in mid-1986 (the peak in real terms is still the pre-First Home Vendors Grant level of January 2008, though the nominal index is now 8 higher percent than then).
2: Our Debt Bubble
The reason that our house price bubble has kept going while other less hardy companions have already popped is the same old same old: debt. The T-shirt itself emphasises the aggregate level of private debt to GDP over the last 150 years, to make the point that this is the biggest debt bubble in our history. The previous two record highs were in 1882 at 104% of GDP, and 1931 at 77% of GDP. Today’s record is 158% as of March 2008.
This comparison actually understates the degree to which our current debt predicament is worse than any previous one, since those previous peaks were affected by deflation: the debt to GDP ratio rose between 1930 and 1931 (and 1890 and 1892) despite falling debt levels, because output and prices were falling faster than debt. In the 1930s, this phenomenon increased the debt to GDP level by about 10 percent over its pre-crisis peak.
We have yet to experience deflation, and yet our current debt level already far exceeds those previous peaks.
Household debt has played a pivotal role in this bubble. The next chart (which won’t be used for a T-shirt) makes that point. Mortgage debt rose fivefold (as a percentage of GDP) between 1990 and today. Without this debt binge, Australia’s private debt to GDP ratio today would be only slightly above the 1930s peak, rather than being twice its level.
The chart also highlights one other important point: a large reason why Australia has had such a mild GFC so far is because Australian households were enticed back into debt by the First Home Vendors Boost, and by the impact of the Government stimulus package upon household disposable incomes.
Households were reducing their mortgage exposure prior to the introduction of The Boost: mortgage debt had peaked at 81.3% of GDP in June 2008, and was trending down prior to the Boost. It then hit a bottom of 80.3% in December 2008 before rising to an all-time high of 86.8 in January 2010.
The change has been less extreme when mortgage debt is measured against Household Disposable Income (HDI), since the Australian government’s stimulus package and the interest rate cuts by the RBA boosted household incomes by almost ten percent last year. As a result, mortgage debt fell only slightly as a percentage of HDI, from 133.6% to 130.3%, and it took longer to fall. But ultimately, even though incomes had been boosted so substantially, the increase in mortgage debt last year finally exceeded the increase in incomes: by January 2010, the mortgage debt to HDI ratio had hit a new peak of 134.2%
The overwhelmingly important reason why this happened is the policy that the Government called the First Home Owners Boost, and which I describe by the more accurate name of the First Home Vendors Boost. As the final T-shirt shows, this is the fifth time in Australia’s recent economic history that the Government has manipulated the property market as a means of stimulating the economy.
3: The First Home Owners Grant
The First Home Owners Grant was first introduced in 1983; while it’s hard to locate discussion on why the grant was introduced (here’s a Hansard link for anyone with more time on their hand than I have to research this), the Grant was introduced when Australia was deep in the recession of the early 1980s, and during the first year of the new Hawke Labor Government. It is therefore likely that then, as now, the Grant was intended to boost economic activity by encouraging the housing market.
That was explicitly the purpose to enhancements to the Grant in 1988, in the aftermath to the Stock Market Crash of the previous year. The 2000 reintroduction of the Grant by the Howard Liberal Government was ostensibly a short-lived boost to the housing sector to get it over the impact of the introduction of the Goods and Services Tax (GST), but it was quickly turned to its customary role of boosting economic activity when a recession was feared in 2001 and the Grant was doubled.
The introduction of the GST is long forgotten of course, but the Grant lived on–and it was then boosted again in September 2008 as part of the Rudd Labor Government’s stimulus package to fight the GFC.
Each time it was introduced, the Grant worked as intended–and it worked not merely because it injected additional Government money into the economy, but also because it encouraged Australians to take on more mortgage debt. Each additional A$1,000 was turned into anything up to an additional $10,000 of buying power, so that while the Buyer got an additional $7,000 from the Government, the Seller (after a very satisfactory auction…) got an additional $30,000 or so from the buyer’s bank.
The Seller then used this money in turn to get a still larger loan from their bank, so that the Grant money was levered at least twice.
This double leverage is a major reason why we have a housing bubble today–and why we had one in 1988, and 2001 before that.
I don’t, like some analysts, blame the housing crisis solely on government policy: for me, the ultimate cause of our housing and financial crises will always be the innate willingness of the financial sector to extend debt. But it is certainly obvious that Government meddling in the housing market has seeded a bubble that the financial sector has then been only too willing to exploit.
As long-time readers know, I railed against this latest manipulation of the housing market when it was first introduced, and again when the scale of take-up of the Boost was first reported. My first post was the only one to draw a response from a Government Minister to any of my writings. Though this reads like a form letter that many critics of this policy may have received, the exchange is still worth reproducing here:
—–Original Message—–
From: Steve Keen [mailto:S.Keen@uws.edu.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:59 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy
I argue in the attached that doubling the First Home Buyers grant is a continuation of the policies that caused the economic crisis in the
first place.
Associate Professor Steve Keen
From: Plibersek, Tanya[mailto:Tanya.Plibersek@fahcsia.gov.au]
Sent: Thu 16/10/2008 5:19 PM
To: Steve Keen
Subject: RE: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Steve
Thanks for your email about the First Home Owners Boost announced by the Prime Minister and Treasurer. I understand the concerns you raise in your email, however, as well as helping Australians into a home of their own, this measure will bring much needed stimulus to the housing market to support the Government’s macroeconomic agenda at a time of serious global uncertainty.
Housing is very important to the Australian economy. Investment in housing accounts for about 6 per cent of the overall economy, and housing is the major source of financial security for millions of Australians and their families.
Expanding support for first home buyers in this fashion is right for the uncertain economic conditions that we now face. It will also help to shore up housing activity in a sector that may otherwise slow. I have attached a fact sheet which provides some more information about the announcement.
Best wishes
Tanya
From: Steve Keen [mailto:S.Keen@uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thu 16/10/2008 7:05 PM
To: Plibersek, Tanya
Subject: RE: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Tanya,
I appreciate your perspective, but I remain of the opinion that this is a misguided policy.
The housing market was seriously over-stimulated by debt-financed speculation in the last one and a half decades, and most of that stimulus did far more to boost price levels and increase unaffordability, than it did to increase supply.
The financial security promised by housing has become financial insecurity in the USA and the UK, and much of the OECD, and it will inevitably prove so for Australia too, which as you are aware has the most expensive housing relative to incomes in the OECD. True security only exists when house prices keep step with incomes. When they rise faster for sustained periods, on the back of even faster increases in debt, the financial wealth created is both fictitious and fragile, as we are now seeing on the daily news.
Part of the reason for Australia’s speculative bubble [I have made a slight grammatical edit here of the original] is the plethora of schemes in Australia which encourage speculation on house prices–from negative gearing, to capital gains tax at half the rate of income tax, the exemption of capital gains on principal residences, and of course the first home buyers scheme.
I would be far happier to see schemes to support renters and strengthen their rights, than yet another to encourage first home buyers into a grossly overvalued market.
Nonetheless I appreciate your email, and would like to keep in contact about this and the broader issues involved in our economic crisis.
Sincerely,
Steve
Now The Boost is behind us, and the evidence is in on its impact. There is no doubt that it stimulated the economy–possibly as much as the rest of the stimulus package and the RBA rate cuts combined. It also stimulated house prices through the roof–and it’s the main reason why I’ll be walking next month.
But it worked by seducing Australians back into debt, since (as I observed in a previous report), house prices can only continue rising compared to incomes if debt continues to rise faster still. This could continue after The Boost if the fire the Government lit in the market was carried on by “investors”–and that was and is certainly the hope expressed both by the Government and the property lobby.
My expectations, and that of many other critics like Adam Schwab, was that the FHVB would boost buyer numbers while it lasted, but cause a slump (in First Home Buyers at least) when it finished because (a) it would drag in many would-be First Home Buyers who would have purchased in later years into purchasing in 2009, thus inflating 2009 numbers at the expense of subsequent years; and (b) it would inflate prices so much that many other would-be First Home Buyers would decide to continue as renters instead.
That’s just from the borrowers side; the surprise move by Westpac to reduce its maximum LVR from 92% to 87% also made me feel that, just maybe, the days of rising leverage driving house prices were coming to an end. That doesn’t sound like much, but it means that a purchaser who had her eye on a $1 million dream home and had the requisite funding prior to the change would now have to find an additional $50,000 in cash to bid the same amount–that’s a 62.5% increase in the deposit required to come up with the asking price wanted by the vendor (from $80,000 or 8% of the purchase price to $130,000 or 13% of the purchase price).
The question then is whether the “investors” who’ve been enticed into the market by the promise of rising prices could outweigh an inevitable fall in the number of First Home Buyers and the start of banks unwinding their excessive leverage beneath house prices.
Preliminary data doesn’t look that crash hot for the property bulls on both these fronts. Both the number and the value of new mortgages took an unprecedented fall once the FHVB expired, as the next two charts show.
So the odds are high that the ending of the FHVB will be one of several triggers for the long overdue bursting of the Australian property bubble–along with the unwinding of excessive housing leverage and the slowdown in the rate of growth of mortgage debt. The FHVB will then turn out to be what I anticipated: a short term success that sets up the conditions for a long term failure, and at the expense of the quarter of a million Australians who were enticed into mortgage debt by this temporarily successful but ultimately irresponsible policy.
For that reason, the T-Shirt I’ll be wearing on day one of The Walk is number 3 above.






about 6 months ago
You were not wrong abouyt anything – except that your warning was a little premature – still its better to be warned too early than too late.
Thumbs up to you Steve – you are right on the money.
Our housing bubble was the worst in the world – and the bust will also be the worst in the world.
Cheers and Good ONYA
Peter
Wundowie WA
about 6 months ago
You were not wrong about anything – except that your warning was a little premature – still its much much better to be warned too early than too late.
Thumbs up to you Steve – you are right on the money.
Our housing bubble was the worst in the world – and the bust will also be the worst in the world.
Cheers and Good ONYA
Peter
Wundowie WA
about 6 months ago
You are extremism, shut up from now on, a lot of people lessoned to you and didn’t buy a house last year, and now some of them are no longer can afford one. I think you should retire without a property and it is a real shame for you, do not call yourself an economist, call you an idot.
about 6 months ago
@ New
You mate are not even worth the time – please stop butchering the english language and learn to write properly.
about 6 months ago
ONYA Don
New is an imbecile.
This is the reality New.
we have just had:
the biggest asset bubble in world history
the biggest asset bubble bust in world history
the biggest stock market crash in world history
the biggest debt bubble in world history.
and soon we will be in
the biggest and worst economic depression in world history
about 6 months ago
Well, if they can’t afford the house now then they should be pretty damn happy they managed to afford the mortgage ….for crying out loud, another example of why there should be a license to carry debt, never mind guns.
about 6 months ago
I mean “avoid the mortage”, not avoid
about 6 months ago
“I was hopelessly wrong about house prices: ask me how” long it will take before I am right.
or
“I was hopelessly wrong about house prices: ask me how” homes became so unafforadble
or
“I was hopelessly wrong about house prices: ask me how” we eneded up with the world’s least affordable housing
about 6 months ago
Cute Nick!
But I think this might give Rory licence to claim that I wasn’t fulfilling the terms of the bet.
I have a few graphical ideas in mind to communicate my point, while sticking just to the words as they tumbled out of Rory’s head.
about 6 months ago
Kondratieff was right.
about 6 months ago
Good on you Steve – for having the balls to say it like it is. A huge number of Australians are behind you. You will have the last laugh when house prices crash. (Much to the amazement of most Australians.)
about 6 months ago
To Peter
I would be an imbecile if I had followed the “hopeless wrong” idiot- Mr, Keen. I bought three properties in the past five years and the prices of two of them have doubled, the third one has increased 20% in six months. The total capacity gain is around $700,000 in five years. I still make around $300,000 even property price crash 40% this year. I plan to buy another one soon. A couple of my friends followed the hopeless wrong idiot and they can no long buy any property.
To Don
What is the relationship between good English and the ability to make money? English as second language cannot stop clever people to make money. It is not about English it is about your brain. There are around 1 billion people whose first language is English, many of them are living in poverty , not just Africa countries but many white people in UK, USA, Canada, and Australia.
about 6 months ago
On your Tee Shirt, you could cross the “hopelessly” word out,
and have “I was homelessly wrong about house prices: ask me how”.
I support you.
How about a policy to get us out of this mess?
What’s going to happen to the generation who can’t afford a home? These politician have a lot to answer for.
about 6 months ago
To New,
Asset bubbles are no joke. Only a fool gets into them and he has to find a bigger fool – who then has to find the biggest fool of them all – and that my friend is you.
Asset bubbles ALWAYS deflate by 80% minimum.
So because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it isn’t about to happen.
Steve Keen is RIGHT – only his timing is out. The US has homeless living in “Tent Cities” because they have lost their jobs and their homes and we will soon see that here in Aust.
When Bubbles burst we ALWAYS get deleveraging and deflation – but because you are an imbecile – you wouldn’t have the first clue what they even are or even mean.
Good luck living under a bridge imbecile.
Peter
about 5 months ago
Peter, as you can tell from my latest Debtwatch report “Declaring victory at half time“, I agree that those who think it’s over have got their timing very badly wrong. So I agree that New is in that camp.
But one thing I am very focused on in my blogs is keeping flaming to a minimum: I’ve seen abusive language destroy several otherwise very intelligent discussion lists in the last 30 years, and I don’t intend seeing that happen here.
So I’ve let this comment go, but please in future stop at “Good luck living under a bridge” when commenting on someone with whom you disagree. And write something like ” and that my friend is people who believe that they can go on forever like you” rather than what you actually wrote.
At the very least, think of me in that moment: all flaming does guarantee is that the list moderator has to be distracted from other work to put the flames out. I can do without having to devote time to that.
And New, if you are reading this, please take the heat in this exchange as over: I’d be happy to see you debate Peter’s claim that asset bubbles always deflate by 80% minimum, but I will delete any emotional response to his flaming here (understandable though such a response would be).
about 6 months ago
What a joke! “Asset bubbles ALWAYS deflate by 80% minimum?” absolutely bullshit!
Housing prices fell 2.4 per cent in the United States last year, adding to the 18.9 per cent decline in 2008. Dubai’ housing prices fell 43.2 per cent last year, after a surge of 42.6 per cent in 2008. Dubai may be the largest fall so far. Dubai might possibly have turned the corner after a rise of 0.8 per cent in the December quarter.
There is no evidence asset bubbles always deflate by 80%.
Australia housing market is totally different to the US market.
In the US:
1. housing in the US were overbuilt, supply were much bigger than demand
2. unemplyment rate in the US is more than 10%.
3. sub-prime lenders lent money to high risk no income borrowers caused the problem.
In Australia:
1. strong population growth but not too many houses were built because government refused to release land ,demand is much bigger than supply
2. unemployment rate is down NOT up, less and less people lost jobs in Au,
3. Au doesn’t have su-prime lenders and it is very hard to borrow money if you didn’t have strong income.
Mr. “homeless wrong” Keen could make more than $100,000 if he didn’t sell his apartment last year. Housing price in Sydney was up more than 10% last year only.
I just had a holiday in the US, the economy in the US is improving and housing prices are near bottom. Au banks are very strong and all big FOUR make huge profits for the first half year. There is no evidence that housing market in Au will have US style crash. Housing market in Au will be up but won’t be double digits this year, as people’s income cannot catch up.
I won’t be living under the bridge even Au has US style crash (down 40%), as I paid off my mortgage two years ago.
Peter, be realistic and use your brain to analyse the market, otherwise the person who will be living under the bridge is you and you are an imbecile to follow Keen.
about 5 months ago
Looks like I wrote the preceding too late.
Any comeback on the emotional side by either of you, and I will delete the offender from the list.
Stick with the propositions you’re both making and I will happily let you stay.
about 5 months ago
Asset Bubbles ALWAYS deflate by a minimum of 80%. That is the fact. Sometimes they deflate by even more.
I shall stop flaming but I will say this. An asset bubble is a fool looking for the bigger fool and the bigger fool looking for the biggest fool.
Australia had one of the worst – if not the worst – housing bubbles in global history. Now its all ready to come apart.
Where you get a debt bubble tied to an asset bubble – you always get deleveraging and deflation, and when they get together there is always a depression. ALWAYS.
The debt bubble is the greatest danger because asset prices go down the elevator while debt goes down the stairs.
Japan as has this since 1989 – they had twin bubbles – stock and commercial property and the debt stayed up while the prices crashed. They still have deflation after 21 years worse than ever. Thats our future.
Australia is right now on the verge of a Depression – our asset prices are deflating and out debt is massive – the biggest in our history.
Gerard Minack said “If your mortgage is 5 times bigger than your annual salary and you lose you job – you’re toast.”
And he is right.
The US has an economy that is 70% consumer spending and they are stopping their spending – and that means the whole globe goes into a Depression especially Australia.
People losing their jobs will lose their houses and those houses will get put on the market and sold off at any price – adding to the deflationary spiral.
Consumer spending is the key – keep your eyes on that because when it stops all hell will break loose all around the world as it did in 2008.
The US is going into a double dip – with crushed nuts. The unemployed are coming off benefits and there will be millions of desperate Americans with no income whatsoever.
Tent cities and homeless people are everywhere in the US and they will be there for a long time. We are seeing the same here in Australia – and its just the warm up for the main even.
Asset Bubbles do indeed always deflate by 80% from their peak – and if you don’t believe that – you will soon gain a valuable lesson in economics New.
Good luck to you.
about 5 months ago
What scares me about all this, is that it has been suggested to me, that because there is now no longer a gold based money standard, only the fiat standard that we now use, that any depression we have could be far worse than the great depression, as was (I believe) the depression in the late 1800s.
about 5 months ago
I actually think that the far larger scale of debt is the reason we should worry Dale–US debt is about 1.7 times what it was before the GD began for instance, and the government clearly played a role in causing that via all the bailouts that began at the time of the 1987 stock market collapse, when we should have had a mild Depression.
Fiat money actually gives us a means to reflate that doesn’t exist on a gold standard. However unlike some non-orthodox colleagues of mine (known as Chartalists), I don’t believe that expansionary government policy alone can counter the downturn I expect from deleveraging.
about 5 months ago
If you look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow).
The period from 82 to 2000 is a Kondratieff up wave ending in a bubble.
That bubble burst and there was a Kondratieff “Primary recession”.
To get out of that recession, interest rates were lowered and free money was handed out for people to spend – very Kondratieff.
Then the Plateau or secondary prosperity from the end of the primary recession lasts, according to Kondratieff – from 7 to 10 years – this thing ending in October 2007.
Now we have the Downwave – deflation and deleveraging for 20 years – and not only does that conform to Kondratieff, it’s exactly what has happened to Japan since 1989.
Even if you look at the Dow on a graph – it even looks like a K-wave. You can see all the stages clearly.
Now the last domino to fall – the last man standing so to speak is “Consumer Spending”.
That spending is 70% of the entire US economy and if the USconsumer gets frightened he will stop spending altogether and the US economy goes into reverse by 70%.
That will register on the Richter Scale.
Deflation, Deleveraging and Depression.
Hanrahan was optimistic. Rooned indeed.
about 5 months ago
Interesting the reaction when I tell people that asset bubbles always deflate by 80%.
Few people ever believe me – even though its just happened in Japan
Asset deflation of 80% is something you can bet on – in fact I am betting on it.
so “admin” (nudge nudge wink wink) – whats happeninf with you?
Anything exciting?
When do you think the US consumer will stop spending and in doing so will sent the US economy into a kamikasi nose dive?
That will also result in the world – even China – going into a negative deflationary feed back loop as well I think.
Over….
about 5 months ago
I tend to agree with your ideas Steve. My main concerns are the changes in lending policies by the majority of home lenders in Australia. Prior to the changes, if you were purchasing a $400,000 house you would need to contribute $34,000 (including the First Home Owners Grant). With the changes in lending policies a purchaser would now need to have an additional $26,000 to purchase the same house. To make matters worse, the buyer would also need to demonstrate to the lender that they have genuinely saved 5% of the purchase price (a little requirement which has eliminating thousands of first home buyers from the market over the past few months). The unfortunate aspect is that lenders are continuing to tighten their rules. The Commonwealth Bank announced last week that they are limiting their Loan to Valuation Ratio (LVR) on investment home loans for all borrowers to 90%, havings previously vigorously lent at an LVR of 97%.
about 5 months ago
I have a T-Shirt slogan for you:
Big Bubbles – Big Troubles
That’s Right
about 5 months ago
hello,
gee Peter chill out brother, remember the discussion/debate is about aussie property not the DOW Jones or japanese property
call up all the stats from other dead beat countries that you like, but you forgetting the ultimate reality:
life in australia, no. 1 across the globe, paradise, utopia, the whitelight
even The Economist (the woop woop woop people’s bible) have Melbourne at third and 2 other cities from Aus in the top 10
but hey, do as you please
thankyou
professor robots
about 5 months ago
robots
Thanks for the tip.
The point is assets are assets and when they become bubbles they always behave the same way. No matter where on the globe they are located nor the nature of the asset.
We are not immune from economic history in Aust. and thats the reality.
The Bigger the Bubbles the Bigger the Troubles.
We are – right now in the worst global financial crisis in the history of the world.
Deleveraging – Deflation = Depression.
The Deleveraging has only just begun.
good luck to you – and enjoy the ride.
about 5 months ago
I agree 100% with Steve Keen. It is logical and I have heard of no valid argument which suggests property prices can be sustained at these levels for the long term (in real prices). All the reasons are merely short term props for property prices.
I would like to buy a T-Shirt and wear it throughout April as a way of supporting the Walk (I can’t actually make it on the Walk). When will they be on sale?
about 5 months ago
Steve, I have so much faith in what you have been saying that I actually sold my house 6 months ago anticipating the chance to buy my dream home in a few years.
You are our version of Peter Schiff. I really enjoy your commentary and wish we saw more of you on television. Unfortunately, we only seem to get alot of brainwashing bullshit so that probably won’t happen until the bubble bursts.
about 5 months ago
Steve, I have so much faith in what you have been saying that I actually sold my house 6 months ago anticipating the chance to buy my dream home in a few years.
You are like the Aussie version of Peter Schiff. I really enjoy your commentary and wish we saw more of you on television. Unfortunately, we only seem to get alot of brainwashing bullshit so that probably won’t happen until the day the bubble bursts.
I would love to see you run for the senate as an independent
about 5 months ago
@Peter – Saying too much too often doesn’t help get your point across. Giving credible refences to support your claims would be much more helpful.
@New – That you have made money indicates only that you chose an appropriate entry timing – you have yet to choose the timing and type of exit strategy to keep your profits if this is a bubble, and it bursts.
Personally, I lost heaps on property because I sold way too early, way before I had heard of Steve Keen. I sold when repayments trended towards 40% of typical household income, and there was no end in sight to Howard’s kill the union (and by extension) control wages policy.
What I didn’t appreciate was the massive carry trade that has provided a continuing source (and willingness) of cheap credit provision to housing purchasers in Australia, except for a temporary pause following the GFC. I also didn’t expect international governments to react so quickly or strongly to the GFC by throwing bucketloads of money at it in the form of welfare for the ultra rich. ( I acknowledge that IF they made the correct call they may have protected the rest of us by varying small to negative degree from absolute devastation)
I personally assert that governments have acted immorally by rewarding the very risk takers who have generated the problem. @New how do you think it feels to me that you are profiting because government policy has provided you with ultra cheap funds and tax subsidised entry for first home buyers. I in effect pay extra tax and get a piddling return on my cash which directly benifits you. How long do you think that might last?
@Admin Steve – Thanks for all your researched public insights which leave me feeling less like an absolute fool. I’d be very interested to know the extent to which you think the carry trade has contributed to the housing bubble, and it’s continuation, in Australia. How do you think that might play out in offsetting the big four banks increasing equity requirements (ie Aussie Home Loan types returning to market), and for how long? If you agree with me that this is a significant factor, perhaps the main factor, in extending Australia’s housing bubble, what international factors do you see as being the most telling of it’s imminent end? Obviously, a double dip would do that suddenly, but otherwise how far would Japan and US need to raise insterest rates, or, how far would the Aussy dollar need to fall, to provide a trigger point?
Finally Steve, I think it would be worthwhile to separate timing from morality in this issue. Clearly you were wrong on this occasion with timing – Rory’s pretty switched on, and I’m afraid he correctly called – but had events been slightly different you may well have been way out in front. In my opinion you are still correct from a moral standpoint, which alludes to government policy being mal adjusted. Doomsayers are either mad or right, but never popular. If you could quantify the economic damage caused by government policy, along with who is paying for that damage, perhaps you might find allies and precipitate real beneficial change. Otherwise we’ll just have to wait for the bubble to burst before anything gets done. People who are profiting from the situation are not only smug, but are absolutely not going to let anyone change things.
about 5 months ago
I’ve got a mate at work who believed that the whole lot will fall , as Steve says, because of the huge debt load. But he now believes the Fannie and Freddie example of the US will be repeated here, ie providing loans to whoever applies with little credit rating and the government bank rolling the whole lot. This appears to have been what stopped the continued fall in house prices in the US.
He now has a new hypothesis. That once so many people become non-home owners (due to excessive pricing), that they form a majority voting block, some innovative pollie will promise cheap housing to all and sundry and start massive building campaigns to deliver. Financed by removing all the tax breaks for negative gearing and removing the 50% CGT discount. He believes this will culminate with the baby boomers cashing in their “investment” properties, as the yields are really negligible. This will therefore create massive cheap supply of houses, driving down the prices for the large numbers of investment properties for sale. I can see where he is coming from with this, but think this is more a matter for the medium term, 10 to 15 years.
I personally believe Steve’s scenario is most probable, but not after the pollies bankrupted us all with the easy credit through our own Assiebank, giving away money to everyone breathing and willing to take on more debt for a house and guaranteed by the you know who, us taxpayers of course. This should take around 5-10 years in my humble opinion. After that we are all kaktus.
BTW, Steve, if I can get leave I’ll join you on the walk.
about 4 months ago
@ New
Let put to bed the Myth that we are different because we have a housing shortage?
In 2006 California Building Industry Association (CBIA) expressed alarm over what it called an ongoing housing crisis in Southern California. Alan Nevin, the associations chief economist, projected in a 2006 CBIA Housing Forecast that only 185,000 to 205,000 building permits will be granted in 2006r, far short of the 240,000 new homes needed each year. Southern California has been experiencing a massive population boom in recent years and its believed that 6 million new residents will be living in the region by 2020. The population increase, coupled with the housing shortage, has the CBIA worried that it will be increasingly difficult for first-time homebuyers to find a moderately priced unit. Los Angeles and Ventura counties are suffering from a housing crisis, said Holly Schroeder, chief executive officer of the Building Industry Association Greater Los Angeles Ventura Chapter. In 2006 the Median House Price in California was $275K today it is $175K this despite forecast of 6 million new residents all needing housing by 2020? Housing Demand did not save them. This example remind anyone of Australia?
(Oh yes the USA had SUB PRIME, but Australia has 45% of First home buyers Stressed at a time when interest rates are at 30 year lows? Imagine what will happen with a couple more rises)
Also a housing report in the UK in 2002 said Britain was heading for a property shortage of more than a MILLION homes by 2022 unless the current rate of house building is dramatically increased, according to reports from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF). The evidence, being presented at the Foundations Centenary Housing Conference in London, reveals that the supply of housing is already falling behind demand faster than previously recognised. House prices in the UK have fallen 15-45% depending on which area or sector you look at.
Again we are told Australia is different we wont crash we are UNIQUE in the world? Are we? Housing Demand forecasts in UK in 2002 & California were just like Australia in 2010 yet their prices crashed.
According to the ABS, 12,814 residential dwellings were approved in October 2009— that equates to about 150,000 constructed annually. Given that the average Australian household has 2.6 people, dwellings for about 400,000 Australian are being built each year. Last year, net migration to Australia was 213,461 (of which skilled migrants made up just over half). In short, there is substantially more housing than there are migrants. It appears that the housing shortage is two parts myth, zero parts reality. It is highly doubtful that migrants are even in a position to “bid up” the price of properties. The VAST MAJORITY migrants would not be in a position to pay $500,000 to purchase a property so they will have no impact on demand. According BIS Shrapnel, rents increased last year by only 3.5%, barely more than inflation. Not only are immigrants unlikely to cause property to rise they are having little effect on rental rates either.
Australian Population increases also occur organically, especially given Australia is in the midst of a baby boom. In 2008, 296,600 babies were born, the highest figure ever. However, last year 143,900 people died, meaning that actual population organic growth was only 152,700. So, even adding the net births to the net immigration levels (213K + 153K= 366K), it still appears that surplus housing is being built.(150K Houses built 2.6 people per house = Housing for 395K demand for addition shelter 366K SURPLUS= 29K) (FYI most babies born today aren’t in a position to enter the housing market for about 25 years so the recent baby boom is unlikely to be a cause of the recent price rises or demand). But PROPERTY SPRUIKERS put their stuff out you read it & don’t question its contents then PANIC like LEMMINGS & drive prices up , pay too much & wind up slaves to the Mortgage. But please don’t take my word for it look into it yourselves….Property is a commodity it is called SHELTER every commodity has a price SPRUIKERS talk it up to make their profits off you…
about 3 months ago
The pin will happen this week.
about 3 months ago
Well folks, the dead cat bounce is over and we continue down to a Depression because of the debt bubble that fuelled the Housing bubble.
Now we have deleveraging, asset deflation – of 80% from the peak and of course Depression.
The problem being, people only want to hear “good news” but I say if you are crossing the road and a bus is coming, being told the bus is coming is good news.
A bus is coming and its called deleveraging, deflation and depression. The Housing bubble was the biggest Bubble in history and the bigger the bubble, the bigger the pop.